I know many of you belong to sites which allow multiple windows to be opened at one time. I also have read the many posts about why some sites are encouraging it as their sites have a lot of PTP ads and members feel PTP ads are all the same. But what I am wondering is do you all feel it is fair to not really view a page whether the page is the same or not?

Would it not be better if you were not interested to not click on an ad? I realize some of you are interested in how much you can make, but could there not be some balance between making money and viewing what you are interested in?

Another subject is what an advertiser and promoter is? I have seen it stated by many that the PTP promoter is the advertiser on many sites and all the PTP advertiser (promoter wants is a click). Does it matter then what the PTP site or the PTP advertiser on that page that the PTP promoter is promoting gets a view?

Shouldn't it matter that the ads on the PTP page are what pays the promoter for the views? Do you not think if this mentality keeps up that the PTP promoter will not have a page to promote as the advertisers won't bother with ads or the program owner will stop paying because no one is seeing the thier party ads?

I would like I guess to get some other views on how you all feel about the current attitude about PTR and allowing multiple windows and sites encouraging that the member doesn't bother with the view.

Not all sites are all based on PTP ads. Many sites have other ads then PTP and those advertisers are paying for their ads to be seen. I do know some feel they can view the page and open multiple windows. Although I am good at multitasking I could not focus on the ads when testhing this theory as I was more focused on how many windows I had opening and closing and opening them.

Any thoughts? It is ok if you don't agree with me he he I am looking for all sides to this issue.





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Boy when you want hot topics you really go for them dontcha? lol

Anyway my thoughts on this.

Ok so as a member I can see where it would be convenient to open more than one window. The excuse now days it seems is that even if you dont allow it who is to stop most from working two or more programs at the same time. Sure it can save the members time, but are you really seeing the ad? No, your not. I can multitask to beat hades, but when it comes to clicking pages, no I can not pay attention to more than one window.

I don't feel it is fair to the advertisers no. There are some of us who do advertise something other than other ptr or ptp pages. We have real goods to sell. Our own personal pages, and shops. For the money if I am sandwiched between a thousand and one ptr/ptp ads it doesnt matter if they are opening more than one or not, it is likely to be missed. But then again, sometimes it will get hit just because it is something different.

Maybe if the PTP pages were more interesting. Why do they have to be piled high with affiliate pages? Why do they have to have every available space filled with ads? Is not less more in most cases? Why has the focus been so shifted to earning instead of opening up the opportunity for advertisers to have their product mass advertised for one low cost?

As a member I get tired of clicking the thousand and one ptr/ptp ads a day. Do I buy when I am able? Heck yes, I own a debit card and am not afraid to use it on something that catches my eye. But my eye can not be caught when there are five or more windows open.

I think in a large part PO's created this mess. If the ads were of quality instead of a race to see who can send the most emails or have the most ptc's then maybe members would not feel the need to have so many windows open. PTR is not all about the money. It really isnt. But it is a waiting game to see how many and who really figure it out.

Have I clicked more than one link on programs who encourage it? Yes I have. Does that make me a hypocrite, sure does. But at least I can admit it. I can see where it harms. And only I can change my own actions.

I could go on, those are just a few of my thoughts on it.  I will leave space for someone else to post. A good discussion is good for the soul.





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Yes there's a lot of confusion on who the advertiser really is, though I don't see why some choose not to acknowledge  the difference. It's very unfortunate that the end advertiser might not even know PTR exists, or how their ads are being treated by most in the industry.

I always work multiple programs at the same time, never multiple links for the same program though. PTP ads in particular, the timer is there for a reason, I don't go beyond that unless I'm checking out one of the sites listed there. There are simply too many ads to get through, and too much junk on them for my liking.  Most of the time it's the same flashy banner ads promoting things I have zero interest in, like those Passion.com, dating, poker, make-$200-an-hour, online jobs, etc... like most people, it only takes a few seconds for something to catch my eye, then of course I click it. I admit it's rare, but I do occasionally find sites to bookmark. My purchases will only happen when I start making enough to spend on a real product, but that's a whole different discussion.

I'm actually going to be quitting one PTR I'm in because they send nothing but ptp links in about 100+ emails a day - all with multiple links in them and there's no way to opt out. But I don't believe that multiple windows are the main reason why advertisers are pulling their ads. There are simply way too many PTRs running the same exact ads. It's also kinda strange to me, that these ads get so much exposure and yet no sales or follow-though.





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The problem here is that the main objective is completely lost in PTP. The PTP pages have a main ad in the center. This ad was meant to originally be able to be utilized for actual products and services. When people started being able to put their affiliate pages in there, then it just became one big ptp/affiliate grab all.

There is no one out there that doesn't get tired of seeing the same stuff each and every day. Why can't people just step outside of the box with the PTP pages? Why does it have to be an ad that you are going to make money off of each and every time? Why not throw something strange or different in there? Would it be so hard to put an ad out for your favorite charities main site? What about putting an ad in for a site that has poetry or something you enjoy?

The masses have decided that ptp is just that and that's the money aspect. No one cares about the content of the pages. There in is the major problem with the whole ptp saga. Promoters are out for one thing make as much as quickly as they can. They don't and haven't cared about the advertisers within the ptp page they are advertising. With the promoters not caring about the advertisers within the pages, then the "true" advertising will never become a reality for the ptp pages.

Now back to the topic, because of the above, there is a huge race to get as many clicks as possible as cheaply as possible for these pages. The slam on sites for so many of these ads, and the PO's not monitoring how many sold, redeemed, etc. has made it to where the PO's only want to get the ads completed. Yet while trying to get the ads completed they sell more. The next thing is well let's make it so that the members can click their fingers off easier. Here we go Multiple windows, but not just for the ptp ads but all the ads within that site.

Multiple ad clicking does not allow whatsoever for any way of getting the ad actually noticed. Open a window and allow multiple clicking, then you are making it so that any site, product, whatever isn't going to be seen or noticed unless you find those few on the program who aren't getting wrapped up in clicking as fast as they can go who actually look at the ads.

It's just another trend that will be the undoing of PTR as a viable means of advertising "True" products and services. Why is it that these trends set by PTR are fast becoming the downfall of same? Why can't PTR clean itself up? (Not that there aren't a few who are/have been trying.)

Edit done to complete my whole thoughts sorry for the delay.

This ties back into the minimum click requirement for sites.  If a site has a minimum click requirement for activity of more than 10 or PTP usage, I think they should allow multiple windows.    Many people aren't too happy with being forced to click 50 to 100 links a month, waiting for the timers to count down when links are either points or in the hundredths of a cent range.

I even heard people saying that if a site doesn't allow multiple windows, click rate is low.  Of course, this also ties back to the fact sites with low values must force WMs to click minimums, because they wouldn't bother with clicking such low value links otherwise.  Also, depending on what you can get for your points, people may or may not click points.

Back in 2004, I'd never heard of minimum click requirements because back then the 1/10-cent links were what I considered low. We had more 1-cent and 1/2-cent links in those days, and 1/10-cent were called cheap links.  Also back in 2004, I belonged to only a few sites that allowed more than one counter working at a time.  

With the invention of PTP ads, people are seeing the ad a lot more.  Of course, back in 2004, search ads were more common, and they also paid better, to the advertisers and the clickers.

mgbland79705 wrote: 

This ties back into the minimum click requirement for sites.  If a site has a minimum click requirement for activity of more than 10 or PTP usage, I think they should allow multiple windows.    Many people aren't too happy with being forced to click 50 to 100 links a month, waiting for the timers to count down when links are either points or in the hundredths of a cent range.

I even heard people saying that if a site doesn't allow multiple windows, click rate is low.  Of course, this also ties back to the fact sites with low values must force WMs to click minimums, because they wouldn't bother with clicking such low value links otherwise.  Also, depending on what you can get for your points, people may or may not click points.

Back in 2004, I'd never heard of minimum click requirements because back then the 1/10-cent links were what I considered low. We had more 1-cent and 1/2-cent links in those days, and 1/10-cent were called cheap links.  Also back in 2004, I belonged to only a few sites that allowed more than one counter working at a time.  

With the invention of PTP ads, people are seeing the ad a lot more. Of course, back in 2004, search ads were more common, and they also paid better, to the advertisers and the clickers.

Or not seeing the ad in the case of multiple windows       Sorry had to throw that in there.

It seems instead of PO's being clever and finding ways to bring in more advertising and more interest they spend more time devising ways to cheat the advertiser and the members with thier Free upgrades, requirements for clicks and multiple windows it just seems another fad in the PTR industry ... Just like links for high value and sending out as many ads before the members figured out that the site was taking in less money then they were sending out, Search ads, Forcing searches, now we have this and those cheating affiliate programs by encouraging members to commit fraud to make money.

I think both PO's and members need to do something to stop the next scam from coming along but I don't see it happening. As long as someone thinks there is a way to make a quick buck, be it members or PO's these kind of .... what is the better word as I don't want to call them scams but twisting of ways to make members, cheat members and advertisers will keep popping up.

Aloowing multiple windows encourages human clickbots in my opinion. I am more interested in interested consumers not mindless bots. I would much rather see PTR advance to have some credibility but as long as we have sites like  these withe all the above trends we will not see many real advertisers. Mindset needs to change with members and PO's. (and a few of the promoters and advertisers)

Don't you all remember in the forums the search affiliates (They liked to call themselves advertisers) falling into well if the clicks are crap i won't advertise, then the sites who thought they could cash in on this came along and said ooooooooooooh we can work it out they don't get paid unless they follow through with a search, and if they don't we will just delete their accounts.

Then came PTP and PTP affilates (who called themselves advertisers) said if we don't get lower costing ads we won't advertise, so some sites lowered the link values and sold 10000000000000 of hits which would never be used up in the lifetime of the site butstill did it ...

Now where are we?

Do we go to 1/1000000000 of a cent links next and tell members they can use cheatsoftware cause you know it is just a PTP ad afterall?





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I get a handful of 1/2 or 1/3c ads, a few more 1/4c ads, mostly searches, more 1/10-cent ads, but hundreds of hundredths of a cent ads or points.

All I'm saying is that if they insist on minimum monthly clicks, people are going to be so busy clicking they're probably not looking at the ads anyway.  I pay a lot more attention to ads that are between 1/4 & 1/2 cent than all the small value ads.  Also, most small value ads tend to have short timers, and are on sites which allow multiple windows.    I guess those WMs want to people to click as many ads as possible and aren't really concerned with looking at the sites.  Now, give us more investment longer timers and people will pay attention to the ads more.

Also, getting a member to look at the page also has to do with how well the ad is written or what's on the banner.  Some well written ads will grab my attention and make me concentrate on the page, and not merely wait for the counter to finish.

I am not sure with some whether they had no timer or a long timer if it would make any difference. I remember people hollering about 30 sec timers and how if they had looked at the ad they weren't going to look at it any longer then they had to. Then were comments of people getting up to go do something else cause the timers were to long. I am not sure of what the answer is or if the old saying of you can't please everyone applies here.





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