I scratch my head, massage my chin and
grin.
So. Hm.
I did not mean you, Josh, when I wrote you or them.
I am in Germany and read emails for a long time.
I started here reading at
Pecomail when the site had tiny turing numbers, an adult section, a different site design and was not run by Suzanne yet. I stayed, it is a decent run, interesting and honest site.
You - means for me the people in the tier one they created. Tiers separated the world.
Not exactly the fault of the lower tiers.
Before tiers we got 0.5 cent for half a minute. Might have been a search, but it was not forced.
That equaled 1 cent a minute or 60 cents an hour.
Many sites crashed anyhow. Not many stayed for long and we are kind of used to that. there is not a goldmine in the business for the owners not either! I would not want to own a PTR.
After the invention of tiers that created the for you puzzeling you and us, I mean seperated us, the foreigners left. the PTP people tortured you up to 0.000001 per click. How many clicks make one dollar? Take my European word for it, Henry Ford was a better employer way back when with his Model T.
Now the business was ok for tier one. Prices and salaries got lowered to stay sustainable.
What happened meanwhile in the rest of the world - you did not care. again you is not Josh but tier one.
well we got all of a suddent paid terrific. earnstar pays 5 cent a mail in Germany. I got 20 euro=25 dollars. Klamm paid me many times 5 euro for very little work. Other PTRs exploded.
I give you one example out of my experience. I do believe the European countries who had colonies in the good old days sucked up all the readers who were turned lose by tier one. they too get paid decent. somehow this cheat bot thing seems to be obsolete. ( But the question is for me if the US industry uses human click bots for clicking PTP
) So, example: I was reading at my free shares since soon after the start, saw that one at a non sustainable place called wagging tail. My free shares it took me about a year and I got 10 dollars from sebas. donkey came up but I never joined. all of a sudden I was informed my free shares had a new owner, it appeared to me it could be Edelweis. I joined no minimun a short wile ago, was amazed, owner is sebas, too. I think this is another Dutch klu-klux-klan.
I found if you accept everybody wordwide and allow a little more tricky advertizing, all of a sudden you have 100 000 members. Again I do not mean you, Josh, when I say you! so I followed French refhunter Papnille `s advice and joined IntOffers. Not a bad advice! Fast growing, I have 4 refs and get money about once a week. But: In the ref contest there is people who bring in hundreds or thousand refs! For instance Edelweis.
so while tier one exploits mainly Americans, who think they are top because they are called tier one and are just abused and don`t make a cent per minute, the rest of the world reads elsewhere, is accustomed to better pay and sips coffee while reading.
Adbux - I like it. they just adapted to stay sustainable. the competition has 30 sec ads and the buyers demanded thirty seconds and got it. ok 30 sec for one penny.
I heard from rumors in the bubbles that adbux has paid. so far some people got money five times.
I heard that they are British. Might be true or not. American PTR does not pay good. If finally an American took up the idea to introduce better pay like in the rest of the world in America, fine with me.
Your idea of the pyramid scheme does not apply. this time I mean you, Josh. It spreads like wildfire. right now 18200 people. and 950000 clicks. before they were cheaper, now that it is thirty seconds it is 3.40 per one hundred views. they pay me 1 cent and the one who hired me. that is two cents. 1.4 cents are for expenses and taxes and profit. someone buys 10000 clicks. for the readers it is first come, first serve. so, where is the problem.
and lets assume the place exists only lets say two month, I do believe it will stay longer as it grows so fast!, and I get paid lets say 6 times. I have then made far more than with stupid PTP clicking.
I think we are different in two ways, you and I Josh. you want to make the PTR world a sustainable one, I accept failures playfully. I am used to the breakdown of PTRs and losing money over the many years.
For you adbux is new, for me it isn`t, I got paid several times by non us ptrs who were similar.
You write much better English than I do. English is not my native language.
But I studied economics and marketing when I was young, that is why I read emails worldwide, I just look at how things are done over years, nice if I get paid, so what if not.
Nothing but a hobby.
I don`t take it serious.
OK, friends again? I disappear now for a little while into my bubble world.....
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Greetings,
Gertrud
http://freenet-homepage.de/spaniel/ 
I have seen you be almost right on it or very close to it in the 2 years I have been in PTR. I have listened to yours and others warnings about this site and left.
